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A god could have created life in any way he saw fit, why does it need to be like turning on a light switch? I think that if there is a God, creation was the outcome, evolution being his method of creation. You can't just click your fingers and a painting makes itself on a canvas, you have to have a method, you need to turn one thing into another.

This is a comment I put up on youtube, I thought it was worth sharing.

As for "reproducing after their kind", "kinds" of animals are a human construct, used to classify animals so we can distinguish one from the other, in reality, all animals are related in some way.
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:icongodofwarlover:
godofwarlover Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012
Bad thing crazy people like Answers In Genesis don't see it that way
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:iconpristichampsus:
Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012  Professional General Artist
I agree, some people cannot be reasoned with...
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:icongodofwarlover:
godofwarlover Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012
They have to take things literal
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:iconpristichampsus:
Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012  Professional General Artist
yeah, I dont understand why...
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:icongodofwarlover:
godofwarlover Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2012
Neither do I. But it has some dire consequences
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:iconriotgirlckb:
riotgirlckb Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
that is such a good point I agree, fixes all the arguments :D
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:iconpristichampsus:
Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012  Professional General Artist
:D
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FallenAngelSkyla Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree. I interpret God as a 'force' that is there with us, whether it's dinosaurs or evolution :)
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:iconpristichampsus:
Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2012  Professional General Artist
I agree. There is nothing to say that Evolution isnt simply God in the process of creating.
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FallenAngelSkyla Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
True :hug:
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:iconpristichampsus:
Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2012  Professional General Artist
:hug:
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NeptuneGate Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Th problem is - creation has a goal. Evolution does not (necessarily). Its a mechanism that produces things without a specific purpose.
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:iconpristichampsus:
Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2012  Professional General Artist
That is not exactly true, the single purpose of evolution is to produce forms which survive and reproduce well adapted to their environment, the beauty is, that is a self-fulfilling purpose, because survival and reproduction result in evolution, and in turn, it results in more survival and reproduction. Nature has laws and purposes inherent, God or no god.
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NeptuneGate Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yours is not exactlt true either. You forget the things that change or otherwise perish. They are/were part of the evolutionary mechanism too. So no, the main "goal" of evolution is not survival (not even of the fittest, especially when one owns intelligence), but setting up a challenge. Most fail it.

Yes, this can be without putting God in the middle of it.
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:icondawnemperor:
DawnEmperor Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012
Hey, what'd you think of Bill Nye's recent video slamming creationism? I felt he could have worded it better(we don't just "believe" in evolution)
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:iconpristichampsus:
Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Professional General Artist
It was pretty good.
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:icondawnemperor:
DawnEmperor Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2012
In general, I understand what you mean. We're not necessarily disproving the existence of God, but more the mechanisms which we thought he seemed to operate.
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:iconpristichampsus:
Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2012  Professional General Artist
yes.
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Zimices Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Hobbyist
I'm totally agree that the presence of a God don't mean that the world not work with the natural laws, between them the mechanics of the biological evolution. As Nesihonsu says, Catholics - as far I know - usually don't have problems assuming that God created the world, and also it allows to this creation continue their development by itself. I want to share this quotation of Augustine of Hippo: Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learned from experience and the light of reason?". (take from here: [link])
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Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Professional General Artist
cool!
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tigerbreath13 Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
In total agreement
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:iconpristichampsus:
Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Professional General Artist
great :)
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MamaLucia Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
The problem with this argument is that evolving things this way works exactly the same as if there was no god there at all. So, if without god = evolution, and with god = evolution, what is the point in postulating a god?
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Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Professional General Artist
However, one should believe what has the most evidence, and evolution has far more evidence than God creating everything in 6 days, and the earth being very young, this doesnt seem to stop many creationists.
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MamaLucia Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
You forget the most important part: there is no evidence for god.

If evolution and creationism can "go together," why can't the stork and midwives?
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Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Professional General Artist
I guess.
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Paleo-King Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
This post is very interesting, in some sense it's exactly what I summed up some time ago: Evolution doesn't negate Creation, Evolution IS Creation.

Now if the Creationists are confused there... yes, God can easily create every species out of nothing, if he wills it. However, that's NOT how the evidence says it happened! Just because it's possible, doesn't mean it's fact. There are plenty of possibilities that are not fact. Mankind could have been created with ten eyes, if God had wanted us that way, but we weren't given ten eyes. More useless creationist speculation.

Were you there? Did you see it? Did you meet any of the prophets in person to ask them how to interpret scripture? Didn't think so. Trust in the evidence, remember, God created that too. And a truly merciful God would not plant false evidence to scam or deceive people. They have scammed themselves.

I wonder why people can't just accept evolution while still believing in a faith. Faith is about the soul and the world beyond, evolution is about the material world and the mundane. Why creationists are so obsessed with rewriting this world instead of focusing their "faith" on the hereafter, is beyond me. Deal with your own soul's glass house, and leave biology to those who truly understand it.
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Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Professional General Artist
I wholeheartedly agree, why creationists focus on what essentially has little to no effect on the existence of god, is beyond me.
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Volcarona16 Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmmm...XD This is very interesting and well-thought-out, but...

Y'see, I'm a Creationist--I believe that God created the world and its inhabitants in six 24-hour days, and then, over a course of a few thousand years, the animals adapted, etc.--but not into completely new species. :D

I'll just give one example for now: It states in the Bible that there was no death or any type of hurting until after the Fall--after Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit. I don't see how evolution, taking place over millions of years, could occur before Adam and Eve appeared, because there would have to have been death during this time.

It just doesn't make much sense to me. :3
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:iconpristichampsus:
Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Professional General Artist
In the same way, your beliefs dont make any sense to me either. Not being mean, but that is how I feel.
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:iconvolcarona16:
Volcarona16 Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
May I ask how my beliefs don't make sense? :D Maybe I can remedy that.
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:iconpristichampsus:
Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Professional General Artist
no thankyou.
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:iconvolcarona16:
Volcarona16 Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Alright, then. See ya around! :iconbyeplz:
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:iconpristichampsus:
Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Professional General Artist
Either side trying to convince the other is pointless, as neither will budge an inch, tolerance is better.
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Jerepasaurus Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
This. Exactly my feelings for years. There should be no arguments about creationism or evolution, because this fits it all perfectly. I believe in god, but I believe he created things to go through processes in a gradual and logical way.
There is no way to prove otherwise, honestly. And I don't mean to say this in argument. It's just an awkward but factual thing.
It shouldn't even technically offend the most hardcore atheists, because in this line of thought, even those that believe in both would still be seeking the reasons and explanations to how the universe works. All it is, is the belief that no matter how much we learn, there is ALWAYS, no matter how intelligent, reasoning and determined we all are...there is going to be elements in the universe beyond our grasp. This gap in reason is where god may exist. We really don't know, and that's part of the point. lol
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Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Professional General Artist
I, being agnostic, believe man can no more understand God than an amoeba can understand quantum physics.
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Jerepasaurus Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Mhm. :nod:
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Innerwolf88 Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm not a Christian (in the past I was) but I think having God "create the rules" of the Universe and letting it roll could be compatible with a strictly scientific view of evolution.
We scientists have no way to prove or deny there is a superior force behind the origin of the Universe with all it's physico-chemical laws.
If it makes you happier and helps you appreciate Nature more, so be it. I find life more beautiful and fascinating without needing a God to justify it's existence, but we are all free to have an opinion ^^

By the way, are you a Christian? Or is it just playing Devil's Advocate? :)
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:iconpristichampsus:
Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012  Professional General Artist
I'm agnostic, but I still believe in "something".
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:iconinnerwolf88:
Innerwolf88 Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I see.
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Evenape Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
THIS!

As I said in some stamp I made years ago, science is God's toolbox

If science is God's toolbox, than I could assume that evolution, and all it's variables, are simply the paints and artistic things He use...
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Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012  Professional General Artist
true.
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:iconevenape:
Evenape Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
indeed :D
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TheMorlock Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012  Student General Artist
Well said! Especially that bit about the "kinds".
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:iconpristichampsus:
Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012  Professional General Artist
thanks :)
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:iconthemorlock:
TheMorlock Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012  Student General Artist
You're welcome. :)
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Guyverman Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012
What do you think creationists will think of extraterrestrial life?
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cryptidsaurian Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Not to sound rude to any creationists, but I do believe that denialism would probably be the prominent attitude if evidence (no matter how conclusive.) were found..
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Pristichampsus Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012  Professional General Artist
Good question.
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fractalxavier91 Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2012
I think the major problem with this arises from the (apparently popular) strictly literal interpretation of Genesis. That is, God made the Earth and everything in it in 6 days, then rested on the 7th day.

I don't really like to get involved in religious discussions on the Internet, but it seems like a lot of Christians take things in the Bible literally, but only one piece at a time. They'll quote something to prove their point, then later quote something that contradicts it in some important way. That or just gloss over a discrepancy with something along the lines of "Oh well that's not really what that means," which then makes me wonder why they took one part of scripture literally but demand interpretation for another.

I'm by no means saying that all religious people do that, or even that all Christians do. I know they don't. But the really vocal ones on the Internet and depicted in the media seem to do this quite a bit. It unfortunately creates a really skewed view that all religious people are hyper-zealous nut-bags.
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