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Neocene Rodent IdeasRodents:

A stone-piling mouse/rat, similar to the modern "pebble mound mouse", which makes piles of pebbles around its burrow/lair. In addition to fortification of the nest, the rodent may be like a small rat in size, having some way of throwing pebbles to confuse or deter predators. I'm not sure how a rodent would do this, backward kicking of the feet, or picking up with the mouth, and tossing might be easier than throwing with the hands.

Insectivorous/carnivorous or worm-eating rodents, specialists, need a better representation in the Neocene. Seeing as such things exist today, surely they would exist in the Neocene, probably in the absen

Neocene Bat IdeasBat ideas for Neocene-

By Tim Morris and Paul Volkov

- Solitary fruit bat, eating poisonous fruits. Flesh is poisonous, and fur and wings are brightly colored. Perhaps, striped fur, black and white/cream, with reddish chest and head, and white facial "mask". The idea came from some islanders in the pacific suffering from severe illness from eating fruit bats, due to chemicals in the meat, from the fruit the bats ate. Such a bat would most likely exist in continental tropical rainforest, where a bat may pass to such a diet including only afew poisonous fruits, poisonous fruit being abundant in such forests (eg- today's amazonia).

- Solitary

Updated Phobocorn descriptions (Neocene)Four Horned Phobocorn (Quadrucornis armata)
Oder: Even-toed Ungulates
Family Bovidae
Subfamily: Phobocorns (Phobocorninae)
Habitat: Scrub and broad-leaf forest of eastern Madagascar
During the beginning of the Neocene, some animals evolved into shapes and niches seen previously in other animals. Less often, completely original forms appeared, exhibiting features not seen in wild animals before. Some original groups became entirely new kinds of animal, one such group is the Phobocorninae
Descended from run-wild domestic goats, these horned ruminants are in many ways unremarkable. Their bodies and coloration resemble small and medium sized ante

Crested Echidna - NeoceneCrested Echidna (Neoglossus spinosa)
Order: Monotremes
Family: Echidnas (Tachyglossidae)
Habitat: savanna and open forest of central and southeastern Meganesia

Monotremes of the Neocene are considerably more varied than those of the
Holocene. Both platypi and echidna occupy diverse niches, mostly consuming small
animals, insects and forage.

The Crested Echidna is a fairly large echidna, being similar in size and shape
to the long-beaked echidna of human times (Zaglossus). It is about 60-90cm long,
and weighs up to 14 kilograms. It has relatively long , almost erect legs for an
echidna, suitable for walking long distances in search of its fo

Spurred Echidna - NeoceneSpurred Echidna (Plectronechidna toxica)
Order: Monotremes
Family: Echidnas (Tachyglossidae)
Habitat: Forests of northern Meganesia

The Neocene is, in some ways, much like the Holocene, in other ways not. The
disappearance of humans is notable, but nature has carried on regardless. Some
animals present in the Holocene have diversified, yet stayed fairly similar to
their original ancestor. Some monotremes are a good example of this.

Echidnas of the Neocene are noteworthy for the presence of arborial, giant, and
even small burrowing forms. However, many have kept to the original mastery of
their kind, the consumption of social insects. The fo

The Phobocorns, for NeoceneFamily Bovidae
Subfamily: Phobocorninae
Range- Grassland, marsh, open forest and scrub of Madagascar.

During the beginning of the Neocene, some animals evolved into shapes and niches seen previously in other animals. Less often, completely original forms appeared, exhibiting features not seen in wild animals before. Some original groups became entirely new kinds of animal, one such group is the Phobocorninae

Descended from run-wild domestic goats, these horned ruminants are in many ways unremarkable. Their bodies and coloration resemble small and medium sized antelopes of various kinds, such as impala or sitatunga. Their plain appearance st

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Monstrous fish of early mapmakers, such as Olaus Magnus' "Carta Marina.

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=avancna Oct 13, 2010 Hobbyist Traditional Artist

Also known as "Teetertotter Rosmarinus"

~Pristichampsus Oct 13, 2010 Professional General Artist

~SaucyLobster Sep 21, 2010

I have always loved these things, they're so enigmatic.

~Pristichampsus Sep 22, 2010 Professional General Artist

yeah.

~tamanou Sep 17, 2010

My father used to own a very early copy of Carta Marina (hey, Olaus Magnus was Swedish and plain old Olof Magnusson before he became a scholar). He gave it to grandpa who put it up in his study. I used to play in that study when I visited my grandma 'coz it had all of grandpa's cool old stuff in it. I remember looking at the map and making up stories.

Olaus Magnus' "History of the Northern Peoples" is a hoot, its like a later and more mild-mannnered down-to-earth John Mandeville - about the place where I live.

~Pristichampsus Sep 17, 2010 Professional General Artist

I'd love to read about the early zoology stuff from that time. I managed to read some of "Of monsters and Marvels" the other day, it's very charming how they used to include elephants and ostritch as "monsters".

~tamanou Sep 17, 2010

They had a version of Magnus' work in Swedish at our high school library. It is technically a work of cultural history but dips into nature studies when necessary or the author feel like it. For instance, Magnus has some interesting stuff on the (then) current werewolf problem in Latvia, comparing it to famous werewolf reports from antiquity. (Among other things, the werewolves keep drinking all the beer!)

I had hoped to find some online version of it and show you a link (its not like there're copyright issues) but no such luck. There is an English translation as well but presumably the translators have some rights to it.

~Pristichampsus Sep 17, 2010 Professional General Artist

How interesting.

~whalewithlegs Sep 16, 2010 Student General Artist

Where do you find all of the sources for these?

~Pristichampsus Sep 16, 2010 Professional General Artist

well, this one is based on a copy of the Carta Marina that is acessible on wikipedia. Most of the reported sea serpents I got from "In the wake of sea serpents" and "There are giants in the sea", both full of sightings. The mythical stuff is mainly from wikipedia.

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